just. oh i'm john hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. it seems wisconsin governor scott walker has it out for teachers and others more proof and his two year budget proposal with a wall democrats and protesters for days literally the labor movement when it was strong numbers. and their money certainly don't think so in fact charles koch is defending his support of walker we'll take a look at his wall street journal op ed today and how do you get the best

congressional committee money can buy just ask your allies it is money has a lot to do with this. you need to know this even though as union busting agenda has stalled thanks to a wall democratic state senators eleanor walker in wisconsin unveiled his two year budget proposal today and guess what it's hard is teachers i know you're astounded walker is proposing a nine hundred million dollars tried to education and more than two thousand teachers have received layoff notices as a result and walker is also pledging more layoffs this week if senators don't return to pass his so-called budget repair proposal by today basically walker is telling his government workers they must accept losing their collective bargaining rights or i'll be fired or pasta and he's catching some. blowback down one of the

nation's largest labor unions asked me has filed a labor complaint against governor walker alleging that he's violated fair labor practices with his own willingness to negotiate with workers over the recent rights also walker's attempts to lock the doors of the state capitol and prevent more protests was shot down today when a judge ordered the doors to be reopened during business hours and more bad news for walker a new york times c.b.s. poll shows a sixty percent of the untrue opposes his plans to limit collective bargaining rights and another poll among wisconsinites fifty two percent said they wouldn't vote for him would not vote for him if the gubernatorial election were held today president obama finally weighed in wisconsin voters saying this yesterday so i believe that everybody should be prepared to give up something in order to solve our budget challenges and i think most public servants agree with that democrats and republicans agree with that in fact many public employees in your respective

states have already agreed to cuts. but let me also say this i don't think it does anybody any good when public employees are denigrated or vilified or their rights are infringed upon with the latest on what's going on in wisconsin i'm joined with someone and boots on the ground in that state lisa graves executive director of the center for media democracy and the studio any crowell associate editor of mother jones magazine and lisa thank you both for joining us lisa first what are the details of what happened in wisconsin today particularly last couple of hours. well earlier this morning a court ruled that the governor's new plans to limit access to the capitol were barred by the constitution in the state in a temporary restraining order but the state house was and was defiant they refused to let protesters in basically having a quota for protesters meanwhile business lobbyists with tickets in their hand were

let into the legislative session to see the governor and deal his budget and i can tell you the budget that he unveiled is unbelievably cruel and unwarranted it's a budget that basically cuts university hospitals it cuts the school system in this in this state and unfortunately it parallels some of the changes that other governors are shared in office by the republican governors association and others who are funded by the koch brothers have pushed into place or kind of pushing a place i'm assuming he's in his new budget keeping intact his millions of dollars of tax breaks for koch industries various adventures in the state and other big corporations. but the fact is that he already gave away from major incentives to business earlier this earlier this year one of the things that this budget does is it gives him an almost one hundred million dollars budget to create a business panel made up of anyone he choose it is so will be more large jets were his fat cat buddy and more harsh that's for hardworking americans in wisconsin it's

really an unconscionable budget amazing and it the democratic party in wisconsin has filed an ethics complaint against scott i mean walker. planning to file a probe this week essentially saying that walker possibly violate other campaign finance rules or ethics rules in his conversation with the fate david koch if you will you know walker alluded to g.o.p. senators g.o.p. lawmakers in some areas sort of being under attack or wavering about their support on walker's sort of union busting budget repair bill and so as walker you alluded to these people could use some support he was attempting to conspire to to to to get a big donor to bring some money in in a way that was along wisconsin it's got the ethics laws that's what the democratic party is looking at you know or was he coordinating with these this massive donor to run some ads or some kind of support campaign for these on the fence republicans very interesting what lisa how long do you think that that was constant fourteen

will be able to hold out and and given that the governor was successful today in blocking people except the fact cast of the tickets from getting in what does this portend for the future i also understand that there was a there was something very recently where the the chief of police in or of was capitol police or what so that he wasn't going to have his officers be the it wasn't for tori and guard what was a palace guard for the governor. that's right so the governor has actually in plain the citizens of the state even further today ninety nine them access to the state capitol here which basically has been open for the last two weeks until the until the capitol police and the local police decided that they weren't going to show up in protest of their tell us citizens down on site on sunday so here you have a situation in which a scott walker continues to behave like george w. bush jr unilaterally dictating what the rules will be in this state using his

buddies in the legislature to try to crack down on basic rights to protest and then he unveils this incredibly cruel and shocking budget that further cuts public services basically it is if david koch won his campaign for vice presidency back in one thousand nine hundred eighty when he ran on libertarian candidate trying to kill public education trying to get basic health and human services for ordinary americans this budget is part of the fulfillment of gave it cokes dreams i don't need to run i think these are great that he's been running basically a shadow government behind the republican party for years ever since zero actual reagan and the i'm wondering your thoughts on. we can talk about oil if you have any knowledge of this or or or maybe lisa you do i understand john casey just the current governor of ohio used to be a sales guy or a senior partner i guess or a manager with lehman brothers the firm that went out and that ohio lost hundreds

of millions of dollars or well over one hundred million dollars in that lehman failure that he wasn't directly involved with that but i mean did the citizens of ohio really realize that this guy was a failed banker and hustle or of you know according to rolling stone today that's a bit of illegal profits on the criminal. case it has a long history where he was in the financial services industry at lehman which of course went completely belly out of you know flawed unfair. really complex financial deals you know involving swaps involving municipalities and schools many of which went bad somehow that either glossed over or the public just didn't tune into in the election because he got the state house yet he has this this horrible past and he's cut from the same mold as walker is in terms of you know stripping away public services going after public funding for schools and utilities and privatizing as much as you can bill that's going to do though the actions in ohio

are basically on par with the ones in wisconsin it's another battle of the same crime and there will be probably sixty ten more to come we got a lot of republican governors lisa andy thank you both for being with us tonight i thank very much thank you republican lawmakers in ohio are facing a wisconsin like backlash led by their governor john casey they are pushing a bill a similar anti-union bill and as a result more than thousand people showed up outside the state capital of columbus to protest the bill actually i've heard some larger crowds as large as forty thousand it looks like the labor movement now has the momentum in this nationwide struggle. it is time for our daily poll your chance to tell us what you think if wisconsin democrats don't return today governor scott walker says he's going to lay off two thousand teachers so here's today's question will his divide and conquer strategy

work or possible answers are yes in order for his agenda to work the middle class needs to be turned against one another or know his plan will backfire because fifty two percent was consummated so they wouldn't vote for this guy right now if the election was held again today but again it's our list of what you think will be open until tomorrow. still ahead here in the big picture mirror mirror on the wall who's the crony capitalists of all i'd say charles koch but it seems his wall street journal op ed disagrees with me plus more money more problems well not from their allies seems assembled a committee staff with deep pockets to take down government regulation. for flimsy low in fact he has told the preacher about these women and nothing people are suggesting she's hot poker no she says she's

a stock. today charles koch wrote an opinion article in the wall street journal defending his and

his corporation's role in speaking out in favor of it funding wisconsin governor scott walker articles entitled why koch industries is speak you know crony capitalism and bloated government this is from the article they said crony clapp capitalism and bloated government prevent entrepreneurs from producing the products and services that make people's lives better actually the subtitle in a coke writes for many years i and my family and our company have contributed to a variety of intellectual and political causes working to solve these problems because of our activism we've been vilified by various groups despite this criticism we're determined to keep contributing and standing up for those politicians like wisconsin governor scott walker who are taking these challenges seriously he continues by criticizing what he calls crony capitalism saying crony capitalism is much easier than competing in an open market and should know

but it erodes our overall standard of living and stifles entrepreneurs by rewarding the politically favored rather than those who provide what consumers want. and to quote so what is charles quote talking about when he references crony capitalism should he perhaps be looking in the mirror reporter and blogger for think progress leaf on is was and has the answers and joins me now lee welcome back and thanks for having me tom great to have you here what was the essence of charles coats op ed today or did it pretty much capture it that's up and how does it contra how is it contradicted by reality well it's a little bit of a patronizing tone but if just look at the if you look at the substance he was denouncing government spending and crony capitalism i think sigmund freud had a term for this it's called projection and if you look at koch industries and how they make their profits a lot of it's just the man doing government subsidies exploiting government

programs and really just engaging in crony capitalism where they're buying up politicians and getting kickbacks and special loopholes that they've made billions off of for example. just to be just to start with the business it began in soviet russia. fred cote the father of the company received contracts from joseph stalin to build fifteen oil refineries in the soviet union but going forward what is it these guys inherited their fortune from money made by their dad working with joe stalin yeah the worst kind of government planning soviet style i literally so i threw out ok it's a little ironic that they cast themselves as champions of true free market libertarian principles but going forward that hypocrisy never really left the company because over the years they bought up a temper company georgia pacific which exploits government land and has

a taxpayer basically paid for roads to new version growth forest for them to chop down all in taxpayers' dime basically the their matador cattle company uses federal land they were caught in the. eighty's stealing oil from federal land and not paying for something but former coke employees called the coke method of trimming oil off the top but just really put it on the list what is truly an oil of the south well basically when you use open oil well from an indian reservation or federal land you're supposed to pay will either pay roll it to you but you also have to accurately measure the amount of oil you took so they were basically rounding down and doing this systematically hundreds of different different times so they basically stole three hundred gap their hundred million gallons of oil without paying for it. it was a twenty year court battle and they eventually settled admitting fault. and i believe paid a sizable fine but this is a long history in just

a few hours ago republicans in the house voted down a democratic amendment to us yet the u.s. house. mandate to the c.r. the continuing resolution which would have closed the massive multi-billion dollar oil subsidies because benefits from coast allies and g.o.p. congress voted unanimously to kill that amendment so that they take advantage of these federal programs to take advantage of special oil subsidies and across the board. you can find examples that are just completely glaring to give you another one obviously koch industries through their front groups fought health reform tooth and nail they ran ads they compared health reform for the holocaust in these tea party rallies they had all their think tanks producing junk studies but as soon as the law passed one of the first benefits was the special subsidy to companies to help retirees bridge the gap between their actual retirement date when they can

qualify for medicare koch industries was one of the first companies though i haven't asked for that health reform subsidy. that's incredible. real quickly remember a couple of weeks. maybe a month ago to the koch brothers and i asked you if you'd seen the movie client number nine about eliot spitzer i don't know if you've seen it yet but. you really do it's a fascinating documentary about how an angry wall street billionaire took down a politician and i'm wondering if he says come after you. you know i can't comment on that i know that koch industries has hired was half a dozen p.r. firms to respond to my stories they have my name on their website coke facts to respond to some of the articles i've written a coke lobbyist named nancy phone hire has been trying to place to pieces against jane mayer lining both her work and my work but that's all i can say the moment.

the great work thank you funk thanks so much for dropping out and boy great great. great. it is remarkable. speaking of crony capitalism their ally says something his committee staff and there seems to be a common theme among his new aides they all have ties to transnational corporate lobbyists i says team it's hell bent on taking down government regulations that he has to big oil polluters and other harmful industries include several people with ties to the koch brothers and another four that were previous lobbyists for the same industries that isis is taking advice from the alliance of automobile manufacturers and dow chemical so is this what we should expect from the guy who's in charge of government oversight or is this officially the best congressional committee money can buy that media has been following the issues that regulatory policy analyst at o.m.b. watch and he joins me now in the studio matt welcome back to be here and i

pronounce your last this great met first of all give us an overview of this what's what's going on here with that with your allies well. ever since even before terminator took the reins as chairman he sent out a letter to industry lobbying groups they say they're sending them to business but it's really just the lobbyists and asking them for a hit list of regulations so he basically turned very early on he wanted to target regulation and now we're finding out that a lot of people on the committee staff have a history of working in this why does his staff matter i mean why does it matter who's who's on their offices well what's interesting is a lot of b.'s staff some of the staffers have ties to the koch brothers or others as you said when a normal kind of small lobbying group has a complaint they can write a letter as they did in response to this invitation those ended up being made

public when it's something like the koch brothers when they know people on the inside they don't have to have a public letter they can just make a phone call they can just send an e-mail or it wants. i have a lecture remarkable dow chemical you mention or or it was mentioned in one of these sort of you actually so yes one of these guys is associated with out chemical is this is there are no longer a list of companies or are we just beginning to find out what i mean is this. and is this something that you know is this kind of like the way congress has been doing business for a long long time and we just just got to kind of get our way just when i say god put it in our faces or is is he has he stepped over some kind of line here i think this has been going on for a while you know how many staffs whether democrat or republican are are overworked and so they sort of farm some things out to. these lobbyists and organizations and

so the line is really but we're between who are the real it buys ors to the representatives in who are the outside interests i understand this is probably two or three years old we had somebody from one of the ralph nader groups so you know once you start i forget which one on my radio program and this person said that about ninety percent of all the legislation introduced in the house is actually written by lobbyists and then run through the office of a of a particular member of congress who might find to do a little bit is that is this is just a reasonable based on your experience and and if so should that give us even more cause for concern that the that the lobbyists are now members of the staff of the of this very very powerful congressman and the richest guy in the house of representatives by the way i mean yeah yeah that's right i absolutely think it's it's cause for concern because people were going to start questioning not just the voting booth but when you're watching a hearing thinking about a debate over an issue who's really behind this is a really representative with your best interest in mind or is or somebody else

point restraints didn't we used to call this kind of thing bribery and corruption. there there is a fine line and i think as i said there's a line that we're going between what's government and what's not but it's you know to have a look let me just get this straight here's the guy who's in charge of the government oversight committee which is arguably one of the most powerful committees in congress doesn't appropriate money but it can make things happen he's the guy who can do the investigations this is the committee if my recollection is right that brought down bill clinton right with all the investigations into what he was all about and he's got all these former lobbyists and the crony capitalists on his staff i just i'm astounded that if this kind of thing is allowed is this this is something that in the last thirty years has come about the last fifty years is it always been this way to go back to you will see this grant

we have any idea and is anybody trying to pass any laws against this you know brian very tried one last year but then he decided not to run for congress yeah i mean it raises the question who's overseeing the overseers right i don't know for i don't know that we know for how long this has been going on but yeah there are the things that have to happen the very least is disclosure of what these kinds of conflicts of interest on the staffs are and that's not that's not happening but at least now you're doing that disclosure thanks so much for being with us tonight great great having you. koch industries spent more than forty million dollars in the last three years lobbying congress to kill e.p.a. regulations now with cronies on isis staff they can save that money for twenty twelve and buy a new politician but this actually goes deeper than just the coax let's take a look at just how far isis tentacles could reach in the corporate world check this thing out this is this is the this is from they rule dot net is a web site that's been around for

a while that the database is actually from two thousand and four so this is a little bit out of date i keep hoping that a group like maybe the center for american progress will create a similar one with a more modern you know up to date database but just for example let's look at the two thousand and four years georgia pacific which is now owned by the koch brothers and chemical which is you know so we've got a coke brothers guy who's on the dura lies a staff and you've got a dow chemical guy and girl isis staff and so when we look at these companies. around here and. so this is a this is a real experiment here and we look at their directors ok who are the directors here and then we can do it almost as a matter of the individual names we just say ok see let's see companies this guy's on ok so he's on and c.r. and he's on bell south and what companies is this guy on well turns out he's always

constant energy and fidelity national and manpower and. surly and so ok georgia pacific who now. one of the koch brothers is of course now a director but here are the directors and or they were in two thousand and four and what's just pick one by random here will. be as a so this is an experiment. there we go ok and this guy is on the board of caterpillar texas instruments north of summer northwards southern and delta airlines here's another one here this person's on sun trust banks on genuine parts and on coca-cola and here's where his really interesting if the directors for coca-cola and you discover that there is a direct line through this guy back to dog chemical and and through this guy back

to georgia these are basically the people who will america and you can see the companies that there are here is a man power over here central banks and again you just take any one of these people and you say ok what companies does this guy represent oh dell computer and and general electric and chevron texaco what a surprise all of this tied into to our license staff it's really it's really quite remarkable when you get that there is this relatively small number of people who are on a lot of different corporate boards who precisely run the country who make the decisions and who if if scott walker in wisconsin for example has his way will ultimately make the decisions and many states already are.

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or maybe not. still ahead here on the big picture of more money fewer problems u.s. and europe of seized the u.s. and europe at sea is the libyan funds this bring about the final chapter of gadhafi plus free travel lodging and food sounds like

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